Newton's Cradle Pulse Speed Limit ```Name: Jerome G. Status: student Grade: N/A Location: NJ Country: N/A Date: 11/29/2005 ``` Question: There is an amusing toy which suspends a set of ball bearings in a cradle. The end ball bearing is displaced and hits the second, which hits the third, etc. which causes the last ball bearing to move to the height of the original displacement. Given a set of perfectly elastic balls, is there a limit to the speed of the pulse; i.e. is the pulse subject to the limitation of the speed of light? Replies: Yes, a relativistic "Newton's cradle" would be subject to the speed of light. The initial ball bearing transfers momentum by the motion of the molecules of one to the next, and this motion cannot occur faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. Vince Calder Yes, but it is the speed of sound that determines how rapidly the impulse travels through the balls. -- Tim Mooney Beamline Controls and Data Acquisition Group Advanced Photon Source, Argonne National Lab. Jerome: let me define your "pulse" in words: There is a pulse-shaped pressure wave that travels down the row of string-suspended balls. This wave travels at roughly the speed of sound in steel, the material of the balls. The speed of sound in any material is set by the mass density and elastic stiffness. Heaviness and loose-springiness makes sound slower, lightness and stiff-springiness makes it faster. Actually because the balls can expand sideways into empty space as they are compressed in the line of propagation (both tiny amounts), it is not quite as stiff as the solid in the center of a huge block of steel, so the speed of this wave is very roughly 2 times slower. A material with a speed-of-sound faster than the speed of light is considered impossible. Any force that communicates the pressure will itself only be travelling at the speed of light. The force between contacting molecules in matter is electromagnetic (negative electrons electrostatically repelling each other when they get closer to each other than to their positive nuclei). In physics, "light" is another term for Electro-Magnetic wave. So of course that force is communicated between impacting molecules at only the speed of light. And then there is further delay while the impacted molecule drifts at slower speeds over to the next molecule it will hit. The speed of sound is somewhat related to temperature. In gasses, hotter is faster. But any molecular substance with molecules drifting near the speed of light, would be hotter than the center of the sun where nuclear fusion occurs, and molecules would not survive a single collision. Perhaps you should look up the speculated speed of pressure waves in a neutron star. No molecules, no atoms, no electric charges, just sub-atomic particles in close contact limited only by their own quantum-mechanical volume exclusion. The force involved might be one of the nuclear forces instead of the electromagnetic force. I think the neutronium is considered volume-rigid like a liquid, not compressible like a gas. It would still be slower than light-speed, but it might be much faster than sound in any normal matter. Or would it? Besides, so far the "speed of light" seems to be a general limitation on the propagation of any form of change or information, a speed-limit of space itself, not just the speed characteristic of EM waves. It does not matter what your pulse is made of; it will not go faster than that speed. If space would allow it, electrostatic force would propagate infinitely fast, and there would be no magnetic force, and no EM waves. The existence of magnetic force, and EM waves, and the limited speed of those waves, are all consequences of the special-relativity behavior of space-time. With special relativity and light-waves, I think G-d tied a pretty cool Gordian knot. Jim Swenson Click here to return to the Physics Archives

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