

Shape and Water Displacement
Name: Peggy
Status: educator
Grade: K3
Location: MD
Country: N/A
Date: 4/22/2005
Question:
Does the shape of an object make a difference in the
amount of water it displaces?
For example, if a lump of clay in the shape of a cube or sphere displaces
10 ml of water, would the same clay flattened displace the same amount of
water? (My class tried this and in its flattened form, the clay displaced
only 5 ml of water)
Replies:
A body submerged in a liquid displaces a volume of liquid equal to its
volume, regardless of shape. However, there are some "practical"
considerations. If the body is porous, or has air entrapped inside it, its
gross geometric volume is less than the actual volume of body material. So
in your case it is possible that the original lump of clay had trapped air
inside that you "worked out" in flattening the clay. But the underlying
principle is: Two solid or liquid insoluble materials cannot occupy the
same space at the same time.
Vince Calder
Very mysterious! A certain amount of clay has a definite mass and, if the
density is constant, it then must have a definite volume regardless of its
shape. In some materials, the water could penetrate the surface and so for
shapes with larger surface area the material would absorb more water and
therefore displace less water. However, I would think that clay does not
absorb much water.
If the clay is in the shape of a sphere, it has the smallest possible
surface area. Of course, it is possible that the sphere is hollow, in which
case it would clearly displace more water. If you do a careful measurement,
I would bet a fair number of pennies that you would find the amount of water
displaced is the same for all shapes within the experimental error. Let me
know!
It would be interesting to know if the volume displaced in the case of a
sphere is larger than the volume of the sphere or if the water displaced by
the flattened clay is less than the volume of the clay if your measurements
continue to get the same results..
Best, Dick Plano, Professor of Physics emeritus, Rutgers University
If there are not any empty volumes inside the shape, then the shape does
not matter. If there are empty volumes (for example, if you make a hollow
ball) then
the clay can displace up to its own weight in water.
Tim Mooney
Peggy,
I am really sure that the shape does not make any difference.
But it is pretty hard to make displacement measurements work accurately
for small numbers of milliliters.
The problem is the meniscus: it can bulge upwards from your measuring tub
by a variable amount.
Suppose you are using a cooking pot 8 inches in diameter.
For one measurement the water is perfectly flat before displacement
draining and bulgedup afterwards.
For the other measurement the water happened to be bulging before and flat
afterwards.
The bulge can be 0.5 mm high, and the area is 3.14 * (10cm)^2 = 314 cm2,
so the volume of your possible error is 314 cm2 * 0.05 cm =
= 15.7 cm3 =16 ml in any one measurement.
If you had opposite errors in two measurements you could lose 30 ml.
I know that if you are careful you can do better than that most of the time,
and you probably did. Your errors appeared to be about 5ml.
One way to evaluate errors is to repeat the experiment a lot.
They might average away.
Personally, I would simply use 100 ml of clay, not 10 ml.
That would solve your problem and be easy.
Then if you get the same 5 ml discrepancies in your measurement,
they will not be such a substantial percentage of the measured values..
But you could pursue making a more accurate measurement:
It helps to use a container with the smallest open top area you can easily
fit your test samples into.
It might help to make the pouringspout, where you want the water to spill
out, more wettable.
Waterwetting follows microgrooves fairly well.
So you could sandpaper across the rimtop and down a 1/4" streak on the
outside wall for about 1" down.
Do not sandpaper the inside wall at all. (We do not want the water to
start siphoning and drip forever.)
Then you have to declare the spilling done when the dripping gets to some
slowness, like 10 seconds since the last drop.
It might help to invent ways to look at the mirrorlike water surface
to tell when it is exactly flat around the edges, neither bulging nor concave.
Better containers for displacementmeasuring have tightfitting
flatbottomed lids,
so you can press the lid on and squeeze out any bulging water.
The shape and size of the fullyenclosed water in a hard container
can have errors much less than 0.1mm, instead of 0.5mm.
If you are using a small metal cook pot with a slightly domed lid,
turning the lid upside down may make it usable for you.
This lid has the advantage that when you lift it up,
all the dripping goes back into the pot and is not lost from the measurement.
Jim Swenson
PS I am wondering how you control the amount of water
clinging to the outside of the clay after the first time you immerse it.
Perhaps some clays are easy to dry off.
Peggy,
There are several things you must be careful of in such an experiment. One
item is of course that all of the clay is underwater. The second is
absorption. When the clay is first submerged, it can absorb a great deal of
water. In fact, the clay might eventually dissolve. If the clay is
submerged a second time, water remaining within the clay can cause a
problem. Also, air bubbles in the clay cause trouble. When molded into a
cube, small air bubbles can form. When pressed flat, these bubbles can be
squeezed out.
I suggest one of two things. You can wrap the clay in something like
Reynold's Wrap to keep the water out. You can start with two identical
lumps of clay. Form one into a cube and one into a pancake. Submerge each
of them in identical water containers. See whether there is much
difference.
Dr. Ken Mellendorf
Physics Instructor
Illinois Central College
Assuming you do not have any air pockets captured in the material then the
amount of water displaced will be independent of the shape when the
material is fully submerged.
In your experiment, is it possible that your cube or sphere was
hollow? Did someone remove some of the clay while it was being flattened?
Greg Bradburn
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