Algebra Quandry ```Name: Christopher S. Status: student Age: N/A Location: N/A Country: N/A Date: N/A ``` Question: ```Here is a "proof" that I have found. I am only using the term "proof" in a vague sort of tongue-in-cheek kind of way. 1) x = y 2) x^2 = xy (multiply both sides by x) 3) x^2 - y^2 = xy - y^2 (subtract y^2 from each side) 4) (x + y)(x - y) = y(x - y) (factor) 5) x + y = y (divide out (x - y)) 6) 2y = y (substitute y for x from #1) 7) 2 = 1 (What do you think of that?!) Now, here is my philosophical quandary: I had taken algebra to be a means of considering numerical relationships regardless of concrete values. But if the "proof" (i.e., with the divide by zero) is not valid because we have to watch our values, then doesn't this imply that algebra (specifically) and other branches of mathematics are really not thoroughly abstract? I.e., must we not always "watch our values" in any branch of mathematics? And how does this reflect on the assertion of antinomies and incompletenesses in the various formal mathematical systems? ``` Replies: As I see it, one does not need to watch the values if algebraic operations involve definite values. Dividing two sides of an equation by zero is the same as multiplying both sides by infinity - an undetermined value. Any results hence derived are invalid, as your example shows. AK This is not really a mathematical crisis. It follows quite naturally from the definition of the of the operation we call multiplication, or put another way, the definition we give to the symbol "1". To keep things simple consider the integers, although that is not really necessary. The operation of multiplication is a shorthand form of addition. So by the operation of multiplication of 'X' times 'Y' which we write as: X*Y we mean X+X+X ... Y-times. So, X*1 = X. When we write 'X' times '0', or in the usual notation, X*0 we mean X+X+X zero times. Written in the conventional way X*0=0. Or the other way around: 0+0+0... X-times is still '0'. Now division is not an operation separate from multiplication, it is the inverse of the operation of multiplication, by which we mean: 'X' times 'Xinverse' = 1. But using our long handed definition that 'X' times 'Y' means X+X+X... Y times. Then 'X' times 'Xinverse' means X+X+X... 'Xinverse' times =1. But if we say 'Xinverse' is '0' then we mean: X+X+X... zero times =1 or X*0=1 and we have infected the operations with a contradiction because X*0=0 and X*0=1 cannot coexist in the same logical construction. This detailed line or argument is summarized by saying, "Division by zero is not defined." If someone wanted to redefine the arithmetic operations in an alternative way so that, "Division by zero IS defined." That would be OK provided no internal contradications were introduced. But THAT ALGEBRA would not be the one we associate with numbers as we know them. There are cases where seemingly weird definitions do exist: The factorial operation, usually written: n! = 1*2*3*4...*n, but 0!=1 BY DEFINITION. There is also a function called the Dirac delta function, let's call it DDF(x) for short, that occurs in quantum mechanics. It is defined as follows: DDF(x)=0 for x not equal zero, and DDF(0)=1. And the integral under the "curve" of the DDF(x) from negative infinity to positive infinity =1. Vince Calder ```Christopher, In such mathematics, the only thing you have to watch is division by zero. This is because division is not defined whne the divisor equals zero. If you do not want to watch such things, don't divide. One way "out of it" is to stop at factoring: (x+y)(x-y) = y(x-y) subtract y(x-y) (x+y - y)(x-y)=0 simplify x(x-y)=0 Either x=0 or x-y=0 You can multiply, add, or subtract anything. Division is not defined for ALL real numbers, so it can not be used as freely. Dr. Ken Mellendorf ``` Yes, you must "watch your values". Mathematics is a set of ideas built up from fundamental postulates. One of these is for algebra that you cannot divide by zero and get anything meaningful. The math is only as good as the person following the rules. Steve Ross Click here to return to the Mathematics Archives

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